Feminism

[jlmusicchick]

Oh wait... that exists.  It's called Feminism :dr evil:

FIGHT ME!!11!1!1!!1 :troll:

hahahahha. actually, feminism is expanding more towards the category of gender issues. while gender issues is basically a 10$ name for feminism, it can also include the male perspective. anytime you argue something through a feminist perspective, you have support your claims with evidence from the opposing side you can easily prove wrong. meaning that there has to be a counter to feminism, you can call it anti-feminism if you want to, but basically it all falls under gender issues.  [/random]

Split from interracial dating to get that back on topic. -Vulturemod

[Grakthis]

there has to be a counter to feminism, you can call it anti-feminism if you want to

I prefer to call it "rational thought."

:stilltrolling:

[Logikal X]

there has to be a counter to feminism, you can call it anti-feminism if you want to

I prefer to call it "rational thought."

:stilltrolling:

Or maybe "acceptance of the reality that men are smarter, faster, stronger, better"   :wink:

[Grakthis]

there has to be a counter to feminism, you can call it anti-feminism if you want to

I prefer to call it "rational thought."

:stilltrolling:

Or maybe "acceptance of the reality that men are smarter, faster, stronger, better"   :wink:

I AM LEE MAJORS! :dances:

[rosieposy87]

Oh wait... that exists.  It's called Feminism :dr evil:

FIGHT ME!!11!1!1!!1 :troll:

I haven't done feminism in politics yet but when i have (in about a week!) you can bet i'm gonna come back here and kick your arse so badly.  

:rosie: LOSER.

[Will]

I haven't done feminism in politics yet but when i have (in about a week!) you can bet i'm gonna come back here and kick your arse so badly.

Feminism these days is sexism. Let's see you defend THAT.

[jlmusicchick]

feminism can be hard to argue, mainly because ANYTHING can be taken as sexist these days.

Rosie when you do feminism, if your teacher isn't i would look in to Kate Chopin's work. The Awakening is her most popular, but she is one of the best feminist writers. she focused more on the fact that passion itself needs to be addressed, not just in women but men as well (look at her short story, The Storm)

[rosieposy87]

I haven't done feminism in politics yet but when i have (in about a week!) you can bet i'm gonna come back here and kick your arse so badly.

Feminism these days is sexism. Let's see you defend THAT.

LOL, even I know thats not true. Feminism is misconstrued all the time- mainly because radical feminists are seen as the 'typical feminists' these days when in fact they are in the minority.  Everyone, who is not a biggot, should agree with feminism (just like the vast majortity would agree with Ethical Socialism)- that a woman should be treated as equally as a man- how is that sexist Will? I think men just feel threatened by women gaining far more power than they have ever had.

[Will]

LOL, even I know thats not true. Feminism is misconstrued all the time- mainly because radical feminists are seen as the 'typical feminists' these days when in fact they are in the minority.

Don't trivalize what I said. I meant it. Over here, it is only your so-called "radical feminists" that take the label. I suspect the same is true throughout the world. "Affirmative action" advocates of any brand, be they sexist or racist, can go to hell for all I care.

[rosieposy87]

LOL, even I know thats not true. Feminism is misconstrued all the time- mainly because radical feminists are seen as the 'typical feminists' these days when in fact they are in the minority.

Don't trivalize what I said. I meant it. Over here, it is only your so-called "radical feminists" that take the label. I suspect the same is true throughout the world. "Affirmative action" advocates of any brand, be they sexist or racist, can go to hell for all I care.

Have you actually researched Feminism? Or have you just assumed this is the message of all feminists? I know you are wrong in saying that only radical feminists call themselves feminists in America.  I feel like you have just taken the media spin of feminism- and aren't fully aware of the beliefs that many feminists hold.  'Affirmative Action' is not necessarily linked to feminism- most feminists do not advocate giving women jobs for the sake of their gender.

Moreover, i doubt you have EVER been subject to discrimination- as a white, christian male so i don't think you can empathise with a situation where half of society has been discriminated against.

[TSE]

Women are dumb.

[Will]

Have you actually researched Feminism?

Don't even go there with me. You disagree with me and you just say I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. Well, here is some news for you: my AP US History teacher last year put a heavy emphasis on feminism. We were assigned many (by many, 100+) texts by prominent feminists. They all characterized society in some form or another as a struggle of oppressive males against females. While such a message might have validity a century ago, it was disturbing to see some of these attitudes present in material that was only five years old! That's just the formal instruction I've received.

Or have you just assumed this is the message of all feminists? I know you are wrong in saying that only radical feminists call themselves feminists in America.  I feel like you have just taken the media spin of feminism- and aren't fully aware of the beliefs that many feminists hold.

Since when has the mainstream media paid much attention at all to the feminism movement? When it is commented on at all, the newspapers and such present mostly quotes.

Furthermore, what the hell do you know about the mainstream American media?

'Affirmative Action' is not necessarily linked to feminism- most feminists do not advocate giving women jobs for the sake of their gender.

Far too many advocate quotas, which is a polite way of doing the same thing.

Moreover, i doubt you have EVER been subject to discrimination- as a white, christian male so i don't think you can empathise with a situation where half of society has been discriminated against.

That is irrelevant. You know that as well as I do.

And for the record, fuck you. I've been declared ineligible for quite a few summer electronics and engineering programs because I'm not a "racial minority." I've been declared ineligible for MERIT BASED scholarships because I'm white and/or male. I've been passed over for positions because a less qualified minority applied. Don't you dare say I haven't been discriminated against.

[Grakthis]

Oh wait... that exists.  It's called Feminism :dr evil:

FIGHT ME!!11!1!1!!1 :troll:

I haven't done feminism in politics yet but when i have (in about a week!) you can bet i'm gonna come back here and kick your arse so badly.  

:rosie: LOSER.

ahahahahahaa.

Awesome.

I love trolling :rosie:  :razz:

Edit: BUt I would, in Will's defense, make an actual point.

Feminist groups in the US do not want EQUALITY for women.  They want special considerations.  For example, they want the requirements for women in the military to be LOWER than for men.  The requirements for men say they must be able to do X pushups and X chinups and carry X weight for X miles.

The women's groups say "that's not fair, women should only have to do X-Y pushups and X-Y chinups and carry X-Y weight for X-Y miles" where Y is some non-0 integer.

This also occurs in the firefighting and police fields.  Women have lower weight lifting and carrying requirements.

In other words, they want standards to be LOWERED for them.  Special considerations <> Equality.

[rosieposy87]

Have you actually researched Feminism?

Don't even go there with me. You disagree with me and you just say I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. Well, here is some news for you: my AP US History teacher last year put a heavy emphasis on feminism. We were assigned many (by many, 100+) texts by prominent feminists. They all characterized society in some form or another as a struggle of oppressive males against females. While such a message might have validity a century ago, it was disturbing to see some of these attitudes present in material that was only five years old! That's just the formal instruction I've received.

Fair play. In politics we study the many strands of feminist thought which  are not so radical in basis and only advocate equality- if you haven't studied them then thats not your fault. I think that the concept of a 'struggle' is just characteristic bound to emerge from any remotely oppressed section of society in their fight for more rights.

Since when has the mainstream media paid much attention at all to the feminism movement? When it is commented on at all, the newspapers and such present mostly quotes.

Furthermore, what the hell do you know about the mainstream American media?

The general impression given by the mainstream media (which i think i probably define more broadly than you) is of bra burners and women with pick axes going after men.  While it is not commented on in the newspapers or on the news in specific stories the general concept of feminism is portrayed as very radical.

 And LOL at your point about mainstream American media- we have your media thrust down our throats at every possible opportunity in this country. YOUR reporters report on OUR networks. I have access to every mainstream American news network on my tv. On the BBC i constantly hear american reporters. So i think i have a vague idea.

'Affirmative Action' is not necessarily linked to feminism- most feminists do not advocate giving women jobs for the sake of their gender.

Far too many advocate quotas, which is a polite way of doing the same thing.

The glass ceiling still exists- i see these quotas as simply rectifying a problem in society which is still rampant. In fact, i heard a programme just the other day which reported that women in high powered business jobs today was nearly exactly the same as it was in the 80s. Clearly women are not worse at such jobs than men- they just have not been given the chance to rise above a certain position in the company due to a) prejudice, b) a paternalistic atmosphere and c) child rearing duties and pregnancy.
 
Andrew, i wholey agree with your point that women should live up to exactly the same standards as men in positions that they take- the fact is, if they don't have a chance to take those positions in the first place, how will they prove it?

[Grakthis]

Andrew, i wholey agree with your point that women should live up to exactly the same standards as men in positions that they take- the fact is, if they don't have a chance to take those positions in the first place, how will they prove it?

I have no problem with women being given the same opportunities and standards as men.

And I think that goes both directions.

But what I think MOST feminist GROUPS in this country don't realize is that women and men do have different abilities.

True story.  I have a friend who is a fireman.  They have regular testing they must do.  One of the requirements is to be able to carry a 200 pound man shaped weight down stairs and out of a building.

Men must do this in what is called the "fireman's carry", which I don't know the details of but it involves lifting and supporting the body most of the way off the ground and actually cradling the head with your chest.

Female firefighters only have to be able to grab the body by the FEET and DRAG IT out of the house.

 8O

FUCK THAT! LEAVE MY ASS IN THE HOUSE BEFORE YOU DRAG MY FEET FIRST DOWN THE STAIRS!

Or better yet, send a MALE firefighter in there who can CARRY my ass out!