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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2007, 12:54:43 pm »
LOL what a silly topic! everyone knows vegans are crazy  :D

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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2007, 12:56:18 pm »
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LOL what a silly topic! everyone knows vegans are crazy  :D


cuz they're so HUNGRY!

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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2007, 12:57:41 pm »
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LOL what a silly topic! everyone knows vegans are crazy  :D


cuz they're so HUNGRY!


omg i know right!!

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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2007, 07:33:29 pm »
my sister has been a vegetarian since she was 16 (shes 27 now) and since then my family hasnt been eating as much meat. i didnt start eating red meat again until i was 18 or so but im still not a big fan of it. i get grossed out eating any animal really easily so i kind of have to lie to myself and distract myself when eating chicken or turkey or something. i love cheese (fresh buffalo mozzarella) and grilled veggies, avocado, beans.... garden burgers, morningstar chick patties, theres lots of meat-less options. even at in n out... their veggies burgers are sooo good and you cant even really taste the difference.
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« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2007, 08:00:23 pm »
Hey Jessica, can you tell us what a vegetarian diet in your family was like?  I'm very curious.  Did you guys have certain concerns or ideas on how you would receive the nutrition you needed?  And how did you get around those.  Not that you were really really worried, I'm just wondering what the make up of the diet was.  Even for people who eat meat the information could be useful and interesting.  There are probably variations from vegetarian to vegetarian, so the more perspective we can get the better.

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« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2007, 09:08:37 pm »
well I have been thinking about going vegi not vegan but I am sure eventually vegan. But I mean vegan is the right way to go because I mean you still drink milk as a vegiterian..I hear...and thats a cow so eh..But I live in a house with like people who think being vegeterin is like stupid but I will try it.

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« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2007, 08:43:25 am »
My boyfriend is a vegetarian and he's constantly pissing me off because it's almost always impossible to go out to dinner with him. :x

So we always end up going to the same places and he gets the same exact crap all the time.
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« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2007, 08:44:19 am »
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LOL what a silly topic! everyone knows vegans are crazy  :D


cuz they're so HUNGRY!


Is that a Margaret Cho reference? I hope it is. Because I love Margaret Cho.
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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2007, 12:48:40 pm »
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Hey Jessica, can you tell us what a vegetarian diet in your family was like?  I'm very curious.  Did you guys have certain concerns or ideas on how you would receive the nutrition you needed?  And how did you get around those.  Not that you were really really worried, I'm just wondering what the make up of the diet was.  Even for people who eat meat the information could be useful and interesting.  There are probably variations from vegetarian to vegetarian, so the more perspective we can get the better.


I don't know about Jessica's family, but since I've become vegetarian (about a month and a half now) my diet has only gotten better. Taking away meet has made me re-evaluate what I put on my plate everyday. To make up for the protein I don't get from meet I make sure I have plenty of soy-protein (a cup of Silk every morning in my cereal usually does it). I also shop in the organic section of my grocery store now as well - it may be more expensive but it's totally worth it. Whole foods + lots of nutrition for your body = a happy body. I still eat sweets and cheeses, but I do try to stay away from eggs. Ideally I'd like to be vegan, but that's pretty much impossible on a college campus. Just lots of veggies and fruits and soy alternatives for me.

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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2007, 01:14:16 pm »
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I don't know about Jessica's family, but since I've become vegetarian (about a month and a half now) my diet has only gotten better. Taking away meet has made me re-evaluate what I put on my plate everyday. To make up for the protein I don't get from meet I make sure I have plenty of soy-protein (a cup of Silk every morning in my cereal usually does it). I also shop in the organic section of my grocery store now as well - it may be more expensive but it's totally worth it. Whole foods + lots of nutrition for your body = a happy body. I still eat sweets and cheeses, but I do try to stay away from eggs. Ideally I'd like to be vegan, but that's pretty much impossible on a college campus. Just lots of veggies and fruits and soy alternatives for me.


I am not sure what your reasons for becoming a vegetarian are, but if it's dietary health, I would suggest an alternative.

Try going all natural and simple instead of vegetarian.

By it's nature, it will force you to eat less meat.  I eat maybe 1.5 servings of meat a day, and when I say "servings" i mean official size servings (about the size of a deck of cards).

Vegetarian is a dangerous trap because you find yourself eatings tons and tons of processed soy foods that are "vegetarian" but are actually terrible for you.  They are full of GMO's and fatty oils used to bind the soy and vegetable slurries into a solid mass.  It's all kinds of bad times.

Try buying lots of unprepared foods and preparing them youselves.  It's really good for expanding your diet and trying new things.

edit: A lot of people do not realize this, because Soy has this aura of "healthy" but Soy is all kinds of bad for you in large quantities.  It has a hormone that mimics estrogen in many women and heavy soy consumption has been linked to endometriosis and infertility.  Soy and Corn are also the two produce crops most contaminated by GMO cross polination and it's almost impossible to get organic soy.
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« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2007, 04:32:49 pm »
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I don't know about Jessica's family, but since I've become vegetarian (about a month and a half now) my diet has only gotten better. Taking away meet has made me re-evaluate what I put on my plate everyday. To make up for the protein I don't get from meet I make sure I have plenty of soy-protein (a cup of Silk every morning in my cereal usually does it). I also shop in the organic section of my grocery store now as well - it may be more expensive but it's totally worth it. Whole foods + lots of nutrition for your body = a happy body. I still eat sweets and cheeses, but I do try to stay away from eggs. Ideally I'd like to be vegan, but that's pretty much impossible on a college campus. Just lots of veggies and fruits and soy alternatives for me.


I am not sure what your reasons for becoming a vegetarian are, but if it's dietary health, I would suggest an alternative.

Try going all natural and simple instead of vegetarian.

By it's nature, it will force you to eat less meat.  I eat maybe 1.5 servings of meat a day, and when I say "servings" i mean official size servings (about the size of a deck of cards).

Vegetarian is a dangerous trap because you find yourself eatings tons and tons of processed soy foods that are "vegetarian" but are actually terrible for you.  They are full of GMO's and fatty oils used to bind the soy and vegetable slurries into a solid mass.  It's all kinds of bad times.

Try buying lots of unprepared foods and preparing them youselves.  It's really good for expanding your diet and trying new things.

edit: A lot of people do not realize this, because Soy has this aura of "healthy" but Soy is all kinds of bad for you in large quantities.  It has a hormone that mimics estrogen in many women and heavy soy consumption has been linked to endometriosis and infertility.  Soy and Corn are also the two produce crops most contaminated by GMO cross polination and it's almost impossible to get organic soy.


A small factor in my reasoning for becoming a vegetarian has to do with health, but it mostly has to do with how I feel about factory farming and the serious impact it has on the environment, not to mention the inhumane treatment towards animals. After reading a few (completely non-biased I might add) books on factory farming, I really just can't look at a slice of ham and not think about the awful treatment that pig went through just so I can eat it, when I can easily make a meal without it. And then I think about the impact that the factory it came from has had on the environment, and I really just lose any craving for meat whatsoever :-P I think the only thing I miss is the convenience of it - like when I'm at restaurants or something.

I also know exactly what you're talking about with soy - I'm not saying that I add it in to every single thing that I eat. But many people, when they find out someone is vegetarian, immediately try and make vegetarians look dumb by saying "and where do you get your protein? where do you get your nutrients?" without realizing that those proteins and nutrients can be attained through soy products.

Most of the food I eat I prepare myself. I buy a lot of fresh produce and mix it with other foods. For example, I have boxed dry mixes for veggie burgers and mock taco-fillings, but I only eat a small-regular portion of them and have fruits, veggies, and beans for the bulk of my meals.

I also buy about 75% of my groceries from the organic section. Being a poor college student it gets kind of difficult, but I do as much as I can afford.

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« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2007, 06:26:15 pm »
Have you ever tried whey protein as a supplement?  It has a very high BV value in Protein that you can add to the top of everything else you are eating.  It is made from milk and might be something you'd be interested in.  It is easily digested so you either want to eat it with something that will slow it's introduction to your bloodstream or not to take too much of it at one time....not because it is dangerous but because your body can only process so much protein for it's use at any one time.  Some people compare it to the protein content or BV value of a steak.  A steak takes longer to digest though.

One thing I'm not sure of is the vitamin B12 in vegetarian diets.  From what I read and talked to about with other people is it can only be gotten from animal products even if you take it as a supplement, but like I said, I'm not so sure about that.  It might just be the amount of B12.  Anyone who knows about this please inform.

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« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2007, 03:17:12 am »
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LOL what a silly topic! everyone knows vegans are crazy  :D


cuz they're so HUNGRY!


Is that a Margaret Cho reference? I hope it is. Because I love Margaret Cho.


In fact is is! lmao If you get into an argument with a vegan, say "I'm wrong" and run away as fast as you can.

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« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2007, 03:54:28 am »
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Have you ever tried whey protein as a supplement?  It has a very high BV value in Protein that you can add to the top of everything else you are eating.  It is made from milk and might be something you'd be interested in.  It is easily digested so you either want to eat it with something that will slow it's introduction to your bloodstream or not to take too much of it at one time....not because it is dangerous but because your body can only process so much protein for it's use at any one time.  Some people compare it to the protein content or BV value of a steak.  A steak takes longer to digest though.

One thing I'm not sure of is the vitamin B12 in vegetarian diets.  From what I read and talked to about with other people is it can only be gotten from animal products even if you take it as a supplement, but like I said, I'm not so sure about that.  It might just be the amount of B12.  Anyone who knows about this please inform.


A lot of vegetarian products are infused with B12, like the Koshi cereal I have every morning. But I understand what you're saying, I had the same concern when I started to read about becoming vegetarian. Most experts just suggest eating B12 infused foods, and if you're still not getting enough, then taking a B12 supplement during the winter.

Also, since I juuuust started, I'm not really strict. For example, if I'm eating pasta with friends and they have a meatball in a pan of sauce, I'll still eat the sauce and just skip the meatball - a lot of vegetarians won't do that, they'll just go without the sauce altogether.  So, I'm still getting some meat proteins, which I think is fine - if your body goes too long without something eventually it will forget how to process it. A lot of strict vegetarians get sick if they somehow accidently eat a meat product after so many years of going without because their body has forgotten how to process and break down meat proteins. One of my friends got really violently ill when he ordered something off the grill at our dining hall, just because what he orderd was cooked on the same grill that a hamburger was being cooked on.

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« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2007, 06:17:53 am »
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A small factor in my reasoning for becoming a vegetarian has to do with health, but it mostly has to do with how I feel about factory farming and the serious impact it has on the environment, not to mention the inhumane treatment towards animals. After reading a few (completely non-biased I might add) books on factory farming, I really just can't look at a slice of ham and not think about the awful treatment that pig went through just so I can eat it, when I can easily make a meal without it. And then I think about the impact that the factory it came from has had on the environment, and I really just lose any craving for meat whatsoever :-P I think the only thing I miss is the convenience of it - like when I'm at restaurants or something.


Well, there are plenty of non-factory farmed meat options.  You can get lots of free range meats at places like Whole Foots and Wild Oats.  Now, I realize even Free Range doesn't mean what it used to, but it's a huge step up from the factory farms.

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I also know exactly what you're talking about with soy - I'm not saying that I add it in to every single thing that I eat. But many people, when they find out someone is vegetarian, immediately try and make vegetarians look dumb by saying "and where do you get your protein? where do you get your nutrients?" without realizing that those proteins and nutrients can be attained through soy products.


Right.  but beause that is such a default answer for vegetarians, they over rely on Soy.  Which is bad times for you in the long run.

Eat lots of nuts, whole grains, brown rice, whole wheat pasta, dark green leafy veggies (buy fresh and try steaming instead of boiling whenver possible, cause most of the good stuff is water soluble and leaks out when you cook it).

But yeah, you don't need meat.  I tried doing the vegetarian thing for about 4 months last summer, just to see what it was like.  I knew it would be short term, but I wanted to experience it and see what it was like.

It def wasn't for me, but I learned a LOT in the process.

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Most of the food I eat I prepare myself. I buy a lot of fresh produce and mix it with other foods. For example, I have boxed dry mixes for veggie burgers and mock taco-fillings, but I only eat a small-regular portion of them and have fruits, veggies, and beans for the bulk of my meals.


Good girl ^_^

Plus, learning to cook is always a valuable skill.

If you ever get into gardening or want to try it (after college, obv) let me know.  I actually grow about half of what I eat during the summer and I can a ton of stuff for winter too.

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I also buy about 75% of my groceries from the organic section. Being a poor college student it gets kind of difficult, but I do as much as I can afford.


Yeah.  That's understandable.  Even *I* don't buy organic in some things because of the cost.  Like, organic milk is clearly better, but it's more than twice the price for the same amount and I have a hard time justifying the cost difference especially when the conventional is local.

And in some cases the organic version is actually worse... like, all of the organic apple juices I find are made from concentrate and rehydrated with organic cane sugar.  I buy fresh press conventional instead, because less processing is more important to me than organic.

It's a weird balance.  But if you're intersted, there is a great newsleter I get (http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/index.cfm) that does a really good job of helping you figure out what is in what foods and boxed food items.  It kinda tells you which brands are full of GMO's and who likes to hide unhealthy things and play games with labels.  It's also really good about keeping you informed on what is going on in government regarding food safety issues.

It's not nutty left-wing liberal, either.  It's pretty balanced.

edit: I didn't want this to sound preachy, but I had a friend who was a vegan in college and he ended up in the hospital for malnutrition because his heart was int he rigtht place but he didn't educate himself first.  He just jumped into a bad idea.
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