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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2007, 11:22:47 am »
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I know. Honestly, all it needs it promotion. I make my friends listen to V all the time in the car, and now they love the CD. They want it for Christmas. It's a good commerical album, the word just needs to get out.


I still think Vanessa should experiment with other mediums such as acting, or maybe even modeling. I mean, everyone does it these days, it's hard to be successful and not be well versed in different forms of entertainment these days. I could easily see her doing a supporting role for an indie film, like a black comedy or something. You know, small but impressionable appearances and such. And if the critics take to her maybe it's something she should pursue. lol

I don't claim to know how Vanessa should run her career, she'll do whatever she wants to do. But I'd like to see her getting herself out there in different ways. She won't have to lose her integrity by acting a bit or modeling, I actually think it'd be very cool.

Who knows.


Except she's always said she only plays the fame role to get her music out there for people to hear. Why switch to other things for fame's sake?


Because acting and modeling will also get her music more exposure. If people become interested in what she does in other mediums, they'll also get more interested in her music.

I'm not suggesting that she seek fame for the sake of getting famous, but becoming more well known and recognizable has its perks. And acting is a creative, artistic medium. It's not vapid.

There's no such thing as selling out anymore, it's not the type of world we live in now.


But i don't get it....how can she want to be a singer and be know world wide for her music...but she doesn't wanna be famous...?? fame comes with the package...and if acting or any extra thing will help her...then she go for it...not that she isn't doing well as is...but if the opportunity arrises...she should go for it i think....

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She isn't doing well as is though. That's the thing. If you guys honestly don't think Vanessa desires mainstream success then she wouldn't have signed with Irv Gotti on a MAJOR LABEL. Becoming famous is part of the package that comes with being signed to a big label.

She would've gone to a small indie label that would've given her little exposure but would've allowed her to continue releasing music if she "didn't care about becoming famous".

She obviously wants to recreate the success she found with Be Not Nobody with H&T. That's why the label and critics are labeling it as her "comeback album". Yes, her style has changed but even though the means are different, the desired outcome is still the same.

Open your eyes guys, c'mon.
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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2007, 12:24:53 pm »
hmm maybe SHE dosnt want to be famous, she wants her music to be famous. if she really wanted to be famous she would have already took an acting roll or a modeling job (she isnt even tall enough). if she also wanted to be famous she would live somewhere where the pop could takes photos of her, but she hates having her picture taken...maybe Im wrong..
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« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2007, 12:35:51 pm »
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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2007, 12:45:02 pm »
Yes, she quite obviously wants her music to be out there rather than herself, or else she would totally sell out, making typical, already-been-done pop songs, and totally dumping all her morals. One reason I like her so much, is because her songs are way deeper and more unique than most.
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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2007, 01:24:10 pm »
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I know. Honestly, all it needs it promotion. I make my friends listen to V all the time in the car, and now they love the CD. They want it for Christmas. It's a good commerical album, the word just needs to get out.


I still think Vanessa should experiment with other mediums such as acting, or maybe even modeling. I mean, everyone does it these days, it's hard to be successful and not be well versed in different forms of entertainment these days. I could easily see her doing a supporting role for an indie film, like a black comedy or something. You know, small but impressionable appearances and such. And if the critics take to her maybe it's something she should pursue. lol

I don't claim to know how Vanessa should run her career, she'll do whatever she wants to do. But I'd like to see her getting herself out there in different ways. She won't have to lose her integrity by acting a bit or modeling, I actually think it'd be very cool.

Who knows.


Except she's always said she only plays the fame role to get her music out there for people to hear. Why switch to other things for fame's sake?


Because acting and modeling will also get her music more exposure. If people become interested in what she does in other mediums, they'll also get more interested in her music.

I'm not suggesting that she seek fame for the sake of getting famous, but becoming more well known and recognizable has its perks. And acting is a creative, artistic medium. It's not vapid.

There's no such thing as selling out anymore, it's not the type of world we live in now.


But i don't get it....how can she want to be a singer and be know world wide for her music...but she doesn't wanna be famous...?? fame comes with the package...and if acting or any extra thing will help her...then she go for it...not that she isn't doing well as is...but if the opportunity arrises...she should go for it i think....

LOVE YA NESSA! :P


She isn't doing well as is though. That's the thing. If you guys honestly don't think Vanessa desires mainstream success then she wouldn't have signed with Irv Gotti on a MAJOR LABEL. Becoming famous is part of the package that comes with being signed to a big label.

She would've gone to a small indie label that would've given her little exposure but would've allowed her to continue releasing music if she "didn't care about becoming famous".

She obviously wants to recreate the success she found with Be Not Nobody with H&T. That's why the label and critics are labeling it as her "comeback album". Yes, her style has changed but even though the means are different, the desired outcome is still the same.

Open your eyes guys, c'mon.


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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2007, 02:00:51 am »
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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2007, 11:08:35 am »
Here in Asia NF is doing great and continuously climbing up the chart.. Its very slow but oh well it is still growing...

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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2007, 12:10:40 pm »
Honestly, Vanessa could be No. 1 in south east Asia and it still wouldn't help her. Private Radio did well on the charts in that region after Harmonium was released, and did that mean anything? No, it meant jack shit. Harmonium still tanked.

She needs to perform just as well where it counts, and unfortuneatly that's here in the States. If she does well here we'll see a trickle down effect in other countries.
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2008, 09:49:05 am »
According to Wikipedia, she has sold about 102'000 copies of "Heroes & Thieves" worldwive. Do you guys thinks it's true ?

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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2008, 09:41:54 pm »
i honestly do because it isnt realeased everywhere in the world and hasnt had very much publicity. it can do better if it was more known!

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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2008, 10:24:40 am »
I heared from H&T in this forum.  :D

In my country, there was no advertising for the cd.  :(

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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2008, 02:31:41 pm »
Hands on me was a good song too...  The video made me think of how even though we all feel interconnected with the internet, our technology is baised toward audio/visual.  We don't really have the means of reaching out to each other and actually reach out and touch each other.

The lack of which might be a good thing in some cases; though it would revolutionize porn, and that jerk on the internet would get a sock in the mouth by 305 people at once.  :razz:

I wonder if someone could express the sensation of touch, and what would be involved in doing so, with music or sound in general.  I have a few ideas...

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« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2008, 11:13:41 pm »
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I don't know what kind of effect this will have on you guys for saying this, but I'm allowed to speak my mind, so,
I think going into acting and modeling would be a bad idea if she doesn't want to. It would be selling herself out just for fame.
I say if we enjoy her music (which is obviously still coming), and we get others to, then great! But we don't have to make the whole world love Vanessa Carlton, because everybody has vastly different music tastes. I don't mean any offense on anyone when I say sometimes this 'nessaholics' thing can go a little bit too far. It is SO great that all of us appreciate and try to help Vanessa, but we don't have to obsess (not assuming all of you do).


I agree with you...Vanessa ougt to stick of what she knows best. If she wants to go into acting or modeling, she should go to acting or modeling school first, coz it's not an easy thing to do. One should work very hard on one subject or two. She's been a musician since the beginning.
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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2008, 05:10:58 am »
i think this is a better place to post this..

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alright.. so i know this doesn't have much to do with this topic. but watching this, has made me feel 8972343% better about everything.

look.. if gotti believes this much in her, then i don't give a damn about how she does commercially. i mean, i never really have, but it's always been for me - if she (or most other artists i like) doesn't do well commercially for this album, maybe this is it; she won't make anymore music. but with how gotti seems to feel about her (she "can do no wrong"), and how stevie nicks basically told her that she's going to save the world from crappy music and she's the chosen singer/songwriter, how can you lose? i don't think that anything's going to stop vanessa from making the music that she loves, and we love, and gotti and stevie love. which is amazing.
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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2008, 11:28:57 am »
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i think this is a better place to post this..

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alright.. so i know this doesn't have much to do with this topic. but watching this, has made me feel 8972343% better about everything.

look.. if gotti believes this much in her, then i don't give a damn about how she does commercially. i mean, i never really have, but it's always been for me - if she (or most other artists i like) doesn't do well commercially for this album, maybe this is it; she won't make anymore music. but with how gotti seems to feel about her (she "can do no wrong"), and how stevie nicks basically told her that she's going to save the world from crappy music and she's the chosen singer/songwriter, how can you lose? i don't think that anything's going to stop vanessa from making the music that she loves, and we love, and gotti and stevie love. which is amazing.


I agree with you, it also makes me feel better about that "success problem".