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« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2004, 08:38:03 am »
It's a song, it's a cool song, WHO GIVES A SHIT?!

Get over it and get a life. There's no point in arguing it, especially when the writer isn't even envolved in the arguement! Stop ruining a perfectly good thread for a good artist.

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« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2004, 08:54:39 am »
Quote from: "drumpad"
Alright, so I lied about not getting invovled in the race argument....


She's black panther, SO WHAT. I have a very close family member who was a black panther, and he is NOT racist. The black panther movement was our way of fighting back! I cannot even begin to name some of the atroscities we've gone through. One that sticks out of my mind is the case of Emmit Till. He was a young Black man that was ACCUSED of whistling at a white girl. ACCUSED! off of that accusation along a gang of white men beat this poor kid to death, shot him in the head, and hung him off an ACCUSATION. So what are we suppose to do against Not being able to sit where we want on a freakin' bus. Or not being able to eat at the diner of our choice, or having hoses sprayed on us. Or having dogs relased against us for defending our rights? well we have the black panthers to stand up for us. I'm not sayin' the message of the black panthers is right, but i fully understand where they come from.

So don't call her a racist until you know where she's coming from. I don't think she's a racist at all. She just simply believes in protecting herself, and standing up for our race


Yeah- i mean this was partly the point i was trying to make- that i have NO idea what it is like to be discriminated against and if CeCe and Joey think they've been discriminated against on the scale that blacks have then i really question that. . So yeah, i can also accept that being a member of the Black Panthers does not entail being a racist. But you have to admit there is a fine line between 'standing up for yourself' and expressing racist views about another race, just like there is a fine line between being proud of your country and being a nationalist.

As for Scum's point, i do get that point- and you're probably right, but that doesn't mean LOTS of people aren't going to take it the wrong way. If a white person even THOUGHT of releasing a record which had similar comments then they would be shunned.

As a Catholic CeCe- you recieve relatively NO discrimination (if any) whereas black people, even these days, experience regular and daily discrimination. Your point about slavery is invalid- despite the fact that black people are no longer slaves they still recieve discrimination on a FAR greater scale than you will EVER recieve in your lifetime.
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« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2004, 09:44:54 am »
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So what are we suppose to do against Not being able to sit where we want on a freakin' bus. Or not being able to eat at the diner of our choice, or having hoses sprayed on us. Or having dogs relased against us for defending our rights?


YOU can sit anywhere on a bus. YOU can eat the dinner of your choice. YOU have never been sprayed by a hose LEGALLY by someone of authority. YOU have never had dogs released against you for defending your rights.

You are just as much the victim of that, as I am of the oppression of Indians by the English, the persecution of the Catholics by the Romans (and in the earlier Church by the Jews).

And Lauryn Hill PUBLICY said: "I hate white people."

That, in my opinion, is a bit on the racist side . . . But you know.

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As a Catholic CeCe- you recieve relatively NO discrimination (if any) whereas black people, even these days, experience regular and daily discrimination.


Discrimination . . . UGH! Discrimination is giving scholarships to blacks BECAUSE they're black. Giving a job to someone BECAUSE they're a woman, or BECAUSE they're black or Asian or WHATEVER. It's ALL dsicrimination. I'll face probably MORE discrimination being a white Catholic in my lifetime than a HELL of a lot of blacks will. And that's BY the government. I'm just as tired of being discriminated against by the government as blacks were as tired of being discriminated against by the government.

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« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2004, 10:26:39 am »
Discrimination does still exist today... Cause of some people who can't stop living in the past. But I really don't think race matters AT ALL!

But yeah... I like Kev's interpretation of those lyrics. It's the truth, that really does go on and it sucks.
"i'm willing to do anything
to calm the storm in my heart
i've never been the praying kind
but lately i've been down upon my knees
not looking for a miracle
just a reason to believe"

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« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2004, 11:30:18 am »
Quote from: "Rosieposy87"
As for Scum's point, i do get that point- and you're probably right, but that doesn't mean LOTS of people aren't going to take it the wrong way.

You're right. Because of the fine line you mention, people will take it the wrong way. But only people who don't understand what they're listening to. That's their fault, not Kanye's 8)

Quote from: "Rosieposy87"
If a white person even THOUGHT of releasing a record which had similar comments then they would be shunned.

Agreed. And rightly so. White people have no cause for similar lyrics. In America at least, they're not a minority struggling as a side effect of a (largely indifferent) majority's prosperity.

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But yeah... I like Kev's interpretation of those lyrics.

Well I had to learn something from Chuck D's autobiography :)

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« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2004, 11:42:57 am »
to Cece's point (and i'm not yelling at you either, i just want to comment on this) :)

Yeah... every race has had their share of discrimination. Christians and Jews were persecuted by Romans in early times, Jews were killed by Nazis,  Indians had to move off their land because white people forced them to, Japanese were sent to internment camps in WW2... and many other tragedy's in history. But African Americans were kidnapped and taken from their home in Africa, treated and sold as property, and had no chance for a long time to rise above that for a LONG time only because of their skin color. Only in the middle of last century did they get all the rights that white people get... So being that that wasnt too long ago, a lot of them still feel the sting from it, so I guess that's why they're still bitter and rightly so.
Luckily, things have been getting better between races, but we're still not where we should be... but I think if things continue improving, one day race wont mean anything but what you look like.
"i'm willing to do anything
to calm the storm in my heart
i've never been the praying kind
but lately i've been down upon my knees
not looking for a miracle
just a reason to believe"

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« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2004, 04:47:57 pm »
I got "The College Dropout" today. Haha, the guy who sold it to be carded me before I could by it to make sure I was 18. I have never been carded for buying a parental advisory CD before, even though I think you're supposed to.
Then I got a whole talk about how I shouldnt buy it because it's bad music and I dont need to listen to it.   :roll:

I bought it anyways.... :lol:
"i'm willing to do anything
to calm the storm in my heart
i've never been the praying kind
but lately i've been down upon my knees
not looking for a miracle
just a reason to believe"

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« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2004, 06:35:33 pm »
It's still discrimination, nonetheless. And apparently - according to AA's point of view, it's timeless. So I'm going to dwell on what happened 1900 years ago, and what happened between 50 and 600 years ago just as they're dwelling on what happened 40+ years ago.

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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2004, 12:55:27 am »
Quote from: "PIBby"
It's still discrimination, nonetheless. And apparently - according to AA's point of view, it's timeless. So I'm going to dwell on what happened 1900 years ago, and what happened between 50 and 600 years ago just as they're dwelling on what happened 40+ years ago.


It is a matter of time though, and you know it. I would call you plain stupid if you carry on saying you're discriminated against because of something that happened 1900 years ago. You feel NO effects from that today apart from being taught it in a biased history class. 30/40 years- thats not even a GENERATION CeCe- if you were black both of your parents would've suffered such abuse, is it any wonder they're still bitter? I'm not bloody suprised!
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« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2004, 07:52:56 am »
Yeah... Rosies right, you feel more hurt by something if it actually happened to someone you know! And you hear the stories directly from them who expirienced it, not history books.
Like for African Americans, if their parents weren't alive, their grandparents definitely were!

here's some Kanye West lyrics:
"I get down for my grandfather who took my momma
Made her sit in that seat where white folks ain't want us to eat
At the tender age of 6 she was arrested for the sitins
And with that in my blood I was born to be different"

make sense?
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to calm the storm in my heart
i've never been the praying kind
but lately i've been down upon my knees
not looking for a miracle
just a reason to believe"

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« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2004, 11:29:18 am »
Wow, i borrowed his CD from my brother and it is AMAZING. Its so admirable what this guy is doing for rap, turning it back into what it should be. I adore 'Never Let You Down' and 'Family Business'.
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« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2004, 08:28:41 am »
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Wow, i borrowed his CD from my brother and it is AMAZING. Its so admirable what this guy is doing for rap, turning it back into what it should be. I adore 'Never Let You Down' and 'Family Business'.


Hey Rosie! I agree with you! I got his CD and it took me like 2 weeks to open it lol just cuz I forgot but hey, it's a very good one! =]

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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2004, 11:42:36 am »
I saw the new video yesterday on TRL and it was a very well made/produced video. You can tell they took extra time to make it.  2 thumbs up from Alecs and Alecs. :wink:
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