the average person woulda tore into me and defended Van to a hilt, and they don't even know Van like that! but well said, though, b/c i went to MTV.com and watched some of the episodes and watched how some of those folks acted and made a spectacle of themselves. but some of people need to understand that i'm not as crazy about Vanessa as they are; i'm just in it for her music and talent; nothing more, nothing less.