This Is Very Important To Me

[Grakthis]

This 'bigotry' is not equivelent to "wanting to punish fags because of a person dislike of them and their beliefs". It's just a label that, at least as far as you're concerned, comes attached to Biblical Christian belief. I can accept this label if all it means is that I believe homosexual marriage is a sin and comes without accusations such as personal dislike, desire to punish or derogatory terms like fag.

-Kev

See, I disagree and I see no rational basis behind what you are saying.  That is the equvilent of the statements YOU love so much, where a person opens with "I'm not racist... but....".

"I'm not a biggot, BUT I think gays should be denied the same rights as hetrosexuals."

I don't care if the basis for this belief is religion or morality or whatever.  It is wrong.  Either hetrosexual marriages needs to lose all their privilage or gay marriages need to receive all the same.

Edit: for those who are confused... the statement in QUOTES is not MY belief.  I am making fun a of a hypothetical person who might say that.  It's called IRONY.

[Manda]

I'm not a biggot, BUT I think gays should be denied the same rights as hetrosexuals

I feel the same way, I know it might be wrong to say this but I don't think homosexuals should be able to get married, and especially adopting children, I really feel that is wrong, and makes it hard for the child growing up.

so they should not be given the same rights.

Manda

[Grakthis]

Oops. My bad.

Oh scum scum sum, not only are you a fool- but you are turning american aswell.

I thought about saying "my mistake", but I didn't know if Andrew's polluted US vocabulary would understand correct English, so I tried to translate it

-Kev

I perfectly underztand the way you Engizh people talk.  In fact, I conzider myself an honorary brit.  Rozie zaid she would help me find a monacle.  I even have bad britizh pop music on my PC!  I <3 the Spice Girlzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Edit. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!! :dr evil:

[jlmusicchick]

I don't know who pissed in your cornflakes this morning, but whatever. Gays have been getting along just fine without marriage

Um, what country have you been living in!? Seriously, one of the most ignorant comments i've read. Yeah, things are getting somewhat easier for gays, but not enough to say that they're "Getting along fine." My best friend is gay. You wanna know how many times people in my school have called her a nasty dyke, wrote obscenities on her locker, been reported to the principle for offending people when she hasn't done anything?! Crap like that happens everyday. She had to transfer to another school, and even there the same crap happened. So obviously she's not doing fine in this country. And like Andrew said, if they're doing so well then why are they asking for equal rights?! UGH.

[rosieposy87]

Oops. My bad.

Oh scum scum sum, not only are you a fool- but you are turning american aswell.

I thought about saying "my mistake", but I didn't know if Andrew's polluted US vocabulary would understand correct English, so I tried to translate it

-Kev

I perfectly underztand the way you Engizh people talk.  In fact, I conzider myself an honorary brit.  Rozie zaid she would help me find a monacle.  I even have bad britizh pop music on my PC!  I <3 the Spice Girlzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Edit. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!! :dr evil:

Somebody shoot him- please.  :wink:

[LimeTwister]

I'm not a biggot, BUT I think gays should be denied the same rights as hetrosexuals

I feel the same way, I know it might be wrong to say this but I don't think homosexuals should be able to get married, and especially adopting children, I really feel that is wrong, and makes it hard for the child growing up.

so they should not be given the same rights.

Manda

you make it sound like Andrew stated that was his opinion.

Maybe it is harder for the child, but the child will not (more than likely) be a closed minded, ignorant child when it comes to equal rights and humanity in general.  They will learn what is true about a gay couple...not close their eyes and just say "THAT IS A SIN AND IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL."

Which brings me to another point, what does it matter if that is a sin... If you're not gay, then you are not taking part in it...You're not sinning SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.  If it is sinning then in the end it will be GOD who takes care of it.  He is the one that knows how you think and feel...HE is the one that made YOU.  Don't give me that free will crap, HE is the one that did it, and if HE thinks it is a sin then HE will take care of it.


OPEN YOUR EYES AND MIND PEOPLE!

[Manda]

I think its wrong.

We all have our own opinion's about homosexuals wanting to get married/adopting kids, that is mine.

 :roll:

Manda

[keith]

I'm sorry, but if people like Martin Luther King (sorry for the cliche!) had thought they weren't going to change anything, where would we be now? oh please, if thats the attitude you take-then i pity you.

And you brought race into this because? Race and homosexuality are two different things.

But then again, I don't really care. Gay people should just deal with the fact that they will never be accepted everywhere and just be happy with what they have now.

Um, what country have you been living in!? Seriously, one of the most ignorant comments i've read. Yeah, things are getting somewhat easier for gays, but not enough to say that they're "Getting along fine." My best friend is gay.

By getting along fine I meant that gays have their hate crime laws, their pride parades, and everything else, so what if they can't get married?  :roll:
They'll live.

You wanna know how many times people in my school have called her a nasty dyke, wrote obscenities on her locker, been reported to the principle for offending people when she hasn't done anything?! Crap like that happens everyday. She had to transfer to another school, and even there the same crap happened.

BIG DEAL. That's what you have to deal with if you chose that kind of lifestyle. If they pass the gay marriage law, do you think that kind of stuff will stop?

[rosieposy87]

I'm sorry, but if people like Martin Luther King (sorry for the cliche!) had thought they weren't going to change anything, where would we be now? oh please, if thats the attitude you take-then i pity you.

And you brought race into this because? Race and homosexuality are two different things.

I will never understand how you manage to completely miss the point every single time someone makes a statement. MY statement refering to Martin Luther King was NOTHING to do with race- my point was that people who believe they can make a change often do-and that if everyone thought they couldn't make a change we would get nowhere.

 Read it properly or don't bother saying anything.

[jlmusicchick]

Um, what country have you been living in!? Seriously, one of the most ignorant comments i've read. Yeah, things are getting somewhat easier for gays, but not enough to say that they're "Getting along fine." My best friend is gay.

By getting along fine I meant that gays have their hate crime laws, their pride parades, and everything else, so what if they can't get married?  :roll:
They'll live.

You wanna know how many times people in my school have called her a nasty dyke, wrote obscenities on her locker, been reported to the principle for offending people when she hasn't done anything?! Crap like that happens everyday. She had to transfer to another school, and even there the same crap happened.

BIG DEAL. That's what you have to deal with if you chose that kind of lifestyle. If they pass the gay marriage law, do you think that kind of stuff will stop?

Big Deal?!?! She's tormented everyday and you say big deal?! First off, she did not choose to be gay (though that is my opinion). And maybe the hate crimes won't stop because of all the ignorant people in world *cough* but gays are still people, and should still be given the same rights as if they were straight. And who knows, it may help people to just shut up realize there are gay people living in the country, and they're not going to keep quiet and be denied rights.

[kev222]

See, I disagree and I see no rational basis behind what you are saying

The bigotry presented in your previous posts was one of wanting to punish gays because of a personal dislike of them. When I suggested an alternative motivation that did not involve these things, it was still deemed bigotry by you on the grounds that the belief that "homosexual marriage is a sin" and that "heterosexual marriage is not a sin" makes a person a bigot. The rational basis for my last post was that this latter example of what you consider bigotry (beliefs concerning marriage) was not equivelent to the previous example (personal dislike, desire to punishing fags, etc.). So whether you still consider it bigotry or not does not change the fact that support for the ammendment is not necessarily a case of wanting to punish homosexuals or motivated by personal dislike of them or what they believe.

This is the ONLY thing I've had a problem with this whole time. I thought I'd made that clear throughout (but obviously not ).

That is the equvilent of the statements YOU love so much, where a person opens with "I'm not racist... but....".

"I'm not a biggot, BUT I think gays should be denied the same rights as hetrosexuals."

I didn't claim that I wasn't a bigot. It was clear from your last post that, as far as you're concerned, it is an inescapeable consiquence of my beliefs. The claim I am making is that my position isn't influenced by personal dislike of gay people and their beliefs or a desire to punish them (which is what your first few posts would have people believe).

I don't care if the basis for this belief is religion or morality or whatever. It is wrong. Either hetrosexual marriages needs to lose all their privilage or gay marriages need to receive all the same

That's fine. I can't argue with an opinion. And I have deliberately avoided discussion of the should we/shouldn't we of the actual ammendment itself.

-Kev

[kev222]

It's good to see that some things remain constant.  You still have no fucking idea what you are talking about and yet you still feel the need to post your inane opinions willy-nilly about what was predominantly an intelligent discussion.

I'm surprised he hasn't made the infamous Grakthis ignore list yet.

I perfectly underztand the way you Engizh people talk. In fact, I conzider myself an honorary brit. Rozie zaid she would help me find a monacle. I even have bad britizh pop music on my PC! I Heart the Spice Girlzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Great start. Now you just have to stop calling us "Brits" (it's cringewprthy) and you're almost there.

-Kev

[rosieposy87]

It's good to see that some things remain constant.  You still have no fucking idea what you are talking about and yet you still feel the need to post your inane opinions willy-nilly about what was predominantly an intelligent discussion.

I'm surprised he hasn't made the infamous Grakthis ignore list yet.

I perfectly underztand the way you Engizh people talk. In fact, I conzider myself an honorary brit. Rozie zaid she would help me find a monacle. I even have bad britizh pop music on my PC! I Heart the Spice Girlzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Great start. Now you just have to stop calling us "Brits" (it's cringewprthy) and you're almost there.

-Kev

Yeah, we're English for goodness sake! So shoot us if we don't want to be included with the Welsh Its a fatal mistake americans make in trying to be PC. "Oh iiii just luuurve the british accent"- errr what british accent?

Oh and soon it will be only Blazin Squad lovers (i.e me and you scum!!We should be so lucky, luuucky, lucky lucky) left on the list of posts Andrew can actually see. Bwhahaha.

[Alecs]

I'm on his ignore list. :lol:

[Manda]

I'm on his ignore list. :lol:

but, but, your so nice and sweet..................................


unless you were joking. *phooey*

Manda