This Is Very Important To Me

[keith]

Big Deal?!?! She's tormented everyday and you say big deal?! First off, she did not choose to be gay (though that is my opinion). And maybe the hate crimes won't stop because of all the ignorant people in world *cough* but gays are still people, and should still be given the same rights as if they were straight. And who knows, it may help people to just shut up realize there are gay people living in the country, and they're not going to keep quiet and be denied rights.

If said person chooses to flaunt her sexuality in everybody's faces and she gets insulted for it...what the hell should she expect? It would appear that homosexuality isn't too popular in your area. I have no sympathy for your friend.

[rosieposy87]

Big Deal?!?! She's tormented everyday and you say big deal?! First off, she did not choose to be gay (though that is my opinion). And maybe the hate crimes won't stop because of all the ignorant people in world *cough* but gays are still people, and should still be given the same rights as if they were straight. And who knows, it may help people to just shut up realize there are gay people living in the country, and they're not going to keep quiet and be denied rights.

If said person chooses to flaunt her sexuality in everybody's faces and she gets insulted for it...what the hell should she expect? It would appear that homosexuality isn't too popular in your area. I have no sympathy for your friend.

You digust me, you really do. You're gay yourself, no? And then you say that someone is flaunting their sexuality when they just choose to be open about it when i could argue you are doing EXACTLY the same thing.

[jlmusicchick]

Big Deal?!?! She's tormented everyday and you say big deal?! First off, she did not choose to be gay (though that is my opinion). And maybe the hate crimes won't stop because of all the ignorant people in world *cough* but gays are still people, and should still be given the same rights as if they were straight. And who knows, it may help people to just shut up realize there are gay people living in the country, and they're not going to keep quiet and be denied rights.

If said person chooses to flaunt her sexuality in everybody's faces and she gets insulted for it...what the hell should she expect? It would appear that homosexuality isn't too popular in your area. I have no sympathy for your friend.

You digust me, you really do. You're gay yourself, no? And then you say that someone is flaunting their sexuality when they just choose to be open about it when i could argue you are doing EXACTLY the same thing.

Thank you Rosie. I seriously am at a loss for words. ok, so i'm really  not. You don't even KNOW my friend!! How could you make such an assumption like that?!?!  Where do you get off judging her when you don't even fricken know her?!! All she's doing is living her life!!!!! She doesn't go up to people and say "hey, i'm a lesbian." But she doesn't deny it either....so if you call that flaunting then yeah i guess she does. But I certainly don't think so, not when she's living like any other normal fricken person.

So screw you Keith. And all your ignorance. That's all I have to say to you.

[keith]

You digust me, you really do. You're gay yourself, no? And then you say that someone is flaunting their sexuality when they just choose to be open about it when i could argue you are doing EXACTLY the same thing.

That's lovely darling. Rosie, why do you care so much about this whole gay marriage thing? You've been going on about it like you're gay yourself.

[rosieposy87]

You digust me, you really do. You're gay yourself, no? And then you say that someone is flaunting their sexuality when they just choose to be open about it when i could argue you are doing EXACTLY the same thing.

That's lovely darling. Rosie, why do you care so much about this whole gay marriage thing? You've been going on about it like you're gay yourself.

Grow up keith. I am in favour of equal rights as are the majority of people on this board, and i hate Bush- so thats why i care.

[keith]

Grow up keith. I am in favour of equal rights as are the majority of people on this board, and i hate Bush- so thats why i care.

Why do you hate Bush?

[kev222]

Yeah, we're English for goodness sake! So shoot us if we don't want to be included with the Welsh :-)

Not to mention the lowly Scots. How would you feel being lumped into the same category as someone like Scott ;-)

Oh and soon it will be only Blazin Squad lovers (i.e me and you scum!!We should be so lucky, luuucky, lucky lucky) left on the list of posts Andrew can actually see. Bwhahaha.

lol. Nice use of kylie lyrics.

-Kev

[Katia's Lover]

A constitutional amendment on this issue will never pass.  It just won't--it's just too hard to do nowadays.

But one needs to be passed.  I'm probably going to catch some flack on this issue, but whatever.  In my mind, this is not one of the issues where we can have states determining the right way to go about things.  To allow this to remain a state's rights issue would tear this country apart.  To have marriages between homosexuals performed in some states, and then forcing other states that don't perform these marriages to actually acknowledge them due to Article Four, Section One would tear this country apart.  We need a federal stance on the issue.  Forget states rights.  We don't need California passing gay marriages and forcing their beliefs of the issue on Georgia.  We just don't.

What should the federal stance be?  Who am I to say?  I don't think homosexuals should be able to get married.  Just don't--it's a sacred joining between a man and a woman.  But I don't see the harm in allowing homosexuals to be given the same rights as married couples now receive (such as power of attourney, medical rights, etc. etc.).  Civil unions seems not to be a bad way to go.  

But vote for Edwards on Tuesday, and if Kerry gets nominated--and this is coming from a registered Democrat--vote for Bush.  There are a LOT of bad things about Kerry that haven't come out yet--he's not a good guy for President.  Vote Edwards!!!

[Scotty]

Yeah, we're English for goodness sake! So shoot us if we don't want to be included with the Welsh :-)

Not to mention the lowly Scots. How would you feel being lumped into the same category as someone like Scott ;-)


-Kev

*travels back in time and smacks Kev on the head*  :roll:  you have angered me prepare to be hit on the head with some haggis in London BaBaY!!!!!!!!!!! :roflmao:

[vanessafan18]

Go Rosie, go Rosie, you are so great in debates hun!!  

I signed it, thank you for posting this Nicole, because it drives me crazy that so many people think gays have no rights. Two of my best friends I have are gay, and they should be treated no differently xoxox

[Will]

I signed it, thank you for posting this Nicole, because it drives me crazy that so many people think gays have no rights. Two of my best friends I have are gay, and they should be treated no differently xoxox

Stop strawmanning those who do not favor gay "marriages." Gays should have all the rights that straight people do. However, should the legislature have the power to make pi=3? Even if they did pass such a law, it would still not be so. In the same way, marriage is between a man and a woman. Any legislation that is passed will not change that. Marriage has been this way since the beginning of recorded history. Even the Greeks who practiced homosexuality did not have gay marriages. This definition of marriage is not not tied specifically to the Judeo-Christian tradition, but is inherent in nature.

Fine. Go have domestic partnerships with all the legal rights of marriage. But don't call it marriage. It simply isn't. Any law passed to that effect will not make it so. This isn't about rights. It is about refusing to have the government redefine something in a ploy of social engineering.

[keith]

Stop strawmanning those who do not favor gay "marriages." Gays should have all the rights that straight people do. However, should the legislature have the power to make pi=3? Even if they did pass such a law, it would still not be so. In the same way, marriage is between a man and a woman. Any legislation that is passed will not change that. Marriage has been this way since the beginning of recorded history. Even the Greeks who practiced homosexuality did not have gay marriages. This definition of marriage is not not tied specifically to the Judeo-Christian tradition, but is inherent in nature.

Fine. Go have domestic partnerships with all the legal rights of marriage. But don't call it marriage. It simply isn't. Any law passed to that effect will not make it so. This isn't about rights. It is about refusing to have the government redefine something in a ploy of social engineering.

*gives standing ovation*

[Grakthis]

See, I disagree and I see no rational basis behind what you are saying

The bigotry presented in your previous posts was one of wanting to punish gays because of a personal dislike of them. When I suggested an alternative motivation that did not involve these things, it was still deemed bigotry by you on the grounds that the belief that "homosexual marriage is a sin" and that "heterosexual marriage is not a sin" makes a person a bigot. The rational basis for my last post was that this latter example of what you consider bigotry (beliefs concerning marriage) was not equivelent to the previous example (personal dislike, desire to punishing fags, etc.). So whether you still consider it bigotry or not does not change the fact that support for the ammendment is not necessarily a case of wanting to punish homosexuals or motivated by personal dislike of them or what they believe.

This is the ONLY thing I've had a problem with this whole time. I thought I'd made that clear throughout (but obviously not ).

That is the equvilent of the statements YOU love so much, where a person opens with "I'm not racist... but....".

"I'm not a biggot, BUT I think gays should be denied the same rights as hetrosexuals."

I didn't claim that I wasn't a bigot. It was clear from your last post that, as far as you're concerned, it is an inescapeable consiquence of my beliefs. The claim I am making is that my position isn't influenced by personal dislike of gay people and their beliefs or a desire to punish them (which is what your first few posts would have people believe).

I don't care if the basis for this belief is religion or morality or whatever. It is wrong. Either hetrosexual marriages needs to lose all their privilage or gay marriages need to receive all the same

That's fine. I can't argue with an opinion. And I have deliberately avoided discussion of the should we/shouldn't we of the actual ammendment itself.

-Kev

Ok.  I accept defeat on this point.  Technically there is a distinction between the positions of "I hate fags" and "I think gay marriage is a sin".  But if I use the "people against this hate fags" argument it gets a lot more attention

Really, the difference is arguably semantics.  One comes from hatred, the other comes from faith.  Both come from a position of supporting inequality.

How about this statement;  Everyone who is for this amendment, on the basis of believing that gary marriage is morally wrong, is a bigot.

Does that statement hold up better in your mind?

[Grakthis]

I signed it, thank you for posting this Nicole, because it drives me crazy that so many people think gays have no rights. Two of my best friends I have are gay, and they should be treated no differently xoxox

Stop strawmanning those who do not favor gay "marriages." Gays should have all the rights that straight people do. However, should the legislature have the power to make pi=3? Even if they did pass such a law, it would still not be so. In the same way, marriage is between a man and a woman. Any legislation that is passed will not change that. Marriage has been this way since the beginning of recorded history. Even the Greeks who practiced homosexuality did not have gay marriages. This definition of marriage is not not tied specifically to the Judeo-Christian tradition, but is inherent in nature.

Fine. Go have domestic partnerships with all the legal rights of marriage. But don't call it marriage. It simply isn't. Any law passed to that effect will not make it so. This isn't about rights. It is about refusing to have the government redefine something in a ploy of social engineering.

I have no issue with this position.  Thank you, Will, for an intelligent response from the Christian right

Even if your personal faith may dictate that Gay relationships are a sin, I appreciate the fact that you are smart enough to know where to draw the line when it comes to politics.

[Grakthis]

It's good to see that some things remain constant.  You still have no fucking idea what you are talking about and yet you still feel the need to post your inane opinions willy-nilly about what was predominantly an intelligent discussion.

I'm surprised he hasn't made the infamous Grakthis ignore list yet.

I perfectly underztand the way you Engizh people talk. In fact, I conzider myself an honorary brit. Rozie zaid she would help me find a monacle. I even have bad britizh pop music on my PC! I Heart the Spice Girlzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Great start. Now you just have to stop calling us "Brits" (it's cringewprthy) and you're almost there.

-Kev

Yeah, we're English for goodness sake! So shoot us if we don't want to be included with the Welsh Its a fatal mistake americans make in trying to be PC. "Oh iiii just luuurve the british accent"- errr what british accent?

Oh and soon it will be only Blazin Squad lovers (i.e me and you scum!!We should be so lucky, luuucky, lucky lucky) left on the list of posts Andrew can actually see. Bwhahaha.

Bah!  You are British, no?  Besides, I can't call you "engs".  And "English chaps" is way too long to type out.

Besides, Rosie refers to me as a Yank! I am not a Yankee!  I am southern!  Yankees are the NE part of the country!

I'll stop calling you Brits if you stop calling me a Yank.  Deal?

BLAZINSQUAD 4 LIFE, YOO!!!!!!!!!

Edit @ Rosie - THe BS song I downloaded is called We Just Be Dreamin.  It's AWESOME!!!!!!

Edit Edit: In b4 Derailment, yo!